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From: Nick Orton [mailto:nickorton_@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 Jun 2007 17:00
To: Evans Daniel; jamesweston24@hotmail.com; Monks Lee J; guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk; vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk; Watson Stephen (CNB)
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I know, I know. It does seem a bit picky to knock him when he's not working for harm, but I can't help it. I do get your point, and I do think that this kind of protest is essential. But by going for cheap tricks like gloating over that woman's illness, and that whole crying mother thing in F911 - effectively exploiting the people he's supposed to be looking out for - I think he reduces his own credibility; and I think this is why he struggles with the serious left. And of his 'everyman appeal' I'll refer you to John Lydon, who famously said: "I've met the man in the street, and he's a cu*t!"
From: "Evans Daniel" Daniel.Evans@carillionplc.com
To: "James Weston" jamesweston24@hotmail.com "Nick Orton" nickorton_@hotmail.com "Monks Lee J" Lee.J.Monks@carillionplc.com guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk "Watson Stephen (CNB)"Stephen.Watson@carillionplc.com>
Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:33:49 +0100
Allowing everyone to relate to it is not a bad tactic unless you only believe in high end stuff. Me and you read that sh!t but joe public don’t. I’m glad someone somewhere cares about bringing the average joe into the ideas and arguments. I believe in the everyman. You call yourself a red under the bed. You’re a tory in hiding ;-)
From: James Weston [mailto:jamesweston24@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 Jun 2007 16:30
To: Evans Daniel; Nick Orton; Monks Lee J;guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk;vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk; Watson Stephen(CNB)
Subject: RE:
Nuts or not, the good guys shouldn't stoop to the tactics of the bad, even if the bad boys tactics are the only ones that work. It cheapens the goodies argument. That's why Moore's stuff, watchable and watched as it is, doesn't have a lasting impact.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:06:39 +0100
From: Daniel.Evans@carillionplc.com
To: nickorton_@hotmail.com;jamesweston24@hotmail.com;Lee.J.Monks@carillionplc.com;guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk; vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk; Stephen.Watson@carillionplc.com
But guess what - it's the lack of every man appeal that has meant that the two people you and James have mentioned are not so effective at getting a point into the public field. Whilst you knit pick at methodology he achieves. I give him the respect for that. He is actively aware of how to make his work effective. He's aiming for the very thing you are complaining about and he is right to do so. To me if he can actually stump the money up and make her better and in the process screw her husband and actively promote a film that is gonna promote the ideas that you two probably agree with then well done him. Complaining about that is just nuts to me. Nuts.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Orton [mailto:nickorton_@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 Jun 2007 14:53
To: Evans Daniel; jamesweston24@hotmail.com; Monks Lee J;guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk; vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk;Watson Stephen (CNB)
Subject: RE:
Dan, I think we've had this discussion before, but for the benefit of everybody else:
Whilst I do value the point of what Moore does, I have to say I fu**ing loathe the way he goes about it. I preferred Columbine over Fahrenheit, as I think he was a little less 'Michael Moore' in that, and I preferred Stupid White Men to either, as I didn't have to listen to his "aw shucks, gee" bo11ocks. He does everything at an everyman, lowest common denominator level, and to use this woman's illnes is just really cheap. Because, if he can be seen to have done a good thing in stumping up the dough, he totally ruins it by revealing his identity afterwards just to score points over a man who was clearly desperate. He's basically using his celebrity and resources to make the louder point, just like, um, Bush...
Much prefer Mark Thomas, why isn't he on telly any(M)o(o)re?
Oh, and those trucker hats are sooo 2003: Lohan, Spears and Hilton wouldn't be seen dead in them now.
From: "Evans Daniel"
To: "James Weston"
Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:36:24 +0100
Ummmm?
Did you not read my previous email?
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From: James Weston [mailto:jamesweston24@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 Jun 2007 13:32
To: Monks Lee J; Evans Daniel; guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk; Vernon Lambert(E-mail); Nick Orton; Watson Stephen (CNB)
Subject: RE:
That's fine, but what's 12kUSD to Moore? It's another stunt, aimed to make his films more accessible to a wider/mooronic audience. Doing what Dan hates again. What do you think of Bono and Geldoff moaning now? Did their swearing and sun glass wearing really achieve anything? Anyone going to see Pilger's new film?
How is everyone?
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:38:47 +0100
From: Lee.J.Monks@carillionplc.com
To: Daniel.Evans@carillionplc.com; guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk;vernon.lambert@environment-agency.gov.uk;nickorton_@hotmail.com;jamesweston24@hotmail.com; Stephen.Watson@carillionplc.com
F#cking genius!
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From: Evans Daniel
Sent: 11 Jun 2007 13:28
To: guy.williams@sjpp.co.uk; Vernon Lambert (E-mail); Monks Lee J;'Nick Orton';jamesweston24@hotmail.com; Watson Stephen (CNB)
Subject:
Most people who know me know I like Michael Moore. I'm a fan of what he does. I like people who are willing to get on with raising the conscious and using what they have for the cause of good rather than f@rt round all day discussing the principles of the ins and outs of how you should conduct actually improving things. I like doers. He serves a very good purpose as part of overall improvement.
But I digress. Anyway I just wanna introduce the next level of skill the man has. Still doing actual good. And beating your foe. And a press stunt. That is true brilliance. That's birds with stones.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2099949,00.html
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1 comment:
I wanna go one step further...
I think if you were to speak to Moore you’d find him a fan of people like Pilger, Monbiot, Noam Chomsky etc. You’d find he thinks they are essential to the whole attempt to swing the pendulum of change in the way things are viewed. He’d say they are doing a great job of what they do. And I’d totally agree with him on that as well. But then you’d find him recognising that they still leave a huge gap in the spectrum and he’s pretty good at filling that gap. Just like The Daily show hits another angle on the spectrum. Don’t curse a cat for not being a dog. We need em all. Love em all if you want change to come. I want more Moore’s. I want more Daily Shows. I want more Chomsky’s. I want more people to listen think and change. I want more things (whatever they are) that fall wholly or even loosely into the side I like. The good one. I’m the goodest. Good dudes rule.
Moore for President!
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